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Income Thoughts, plans, possibilities, etc.

Please see drew's post Online Collaboration Meets Online Business and give input. I think it might be good to deal mostly with places that will treat us as a group of individuals, selling as a group, being paid for sales as individuals. Does anyone know if anywhere will do this now?

Perhaps in the future, multiple groups of individuals based in different projects?

I see that some of these do not apply directly to Packet In but I want to document them here anyway for the benefit of those trying to do Free Music who can perhaps benefit by the ideas. OK band mates, which could possibly work for a virtual band like us and which will only work for "real" performers? Contents


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Limited Edition and Signed Packages

I have been talking this up for a good while now and recently I see it is being tried by a big name artist / group.

Do we want to look into this?

I really, really like this idea. I mean, we could sell users a boxed set with a nice printed cd in a jewel case with real album art, signed somehow of course. In the box would also come perhaps a second cd with some of the more interesting source tracks, or something like that. Maybe a dvd with a 5.1 surround sound mix. Also a nice printed disc with each one of our favorite distros on it. ;) Like a Ubuntu Studio Live CD signed by me, a Fedora Install with the CCRMA Patches signed by whoever, etc... JM

My biggest concern with income, however, is how would we share the profit from anything that we sold? How do we determine that? JM

Jeff, I see this in two parts, how do we determine how to share it, and then how do we share it.

So, the first part is open to many possibilities.

1. Equally for all members of the band. 2. Equally for all members of a CD / Album. 3. Equally for all contributors to a Song. 4. Unequally for each of the above somehow trying to figure out a percentage of each person's contribution.

So far in my thinking, 2 or 3 might give the best combination of fairness and simplicity.

As to the second part, please read my Online Collaboration Meets Online Business and see what you think. If I can get motivated and organized, I will write the various places mentioned on this page and see if any might be willing to deal with us as a related group of individuals.

That way, once we have decided how we want to handle the first part, we can just tell those who will go for this and they can send us the reports and our payments direct to us.

For those that will not, someone could be the designated payee and then turn around and pay out as per our decision in part one.

I just remembered a third part / option. We could all do our own thing marketing and sales wise and keep our own income all to ourselves or keep a percentage and send on the rest as per the decision in part one.

Other ideas? - dR

Keep It Pure Price

The idea is to set a price on each work such that if your fans meet that price in aggregate, we will never license that music out for use in commercials / advertisements. Now, since the music is already BY-SA, we cannot prevent a BY-SA commercial but we will never give a non-BY-SA license on that work for advertising purposes.

This is a way of working with fans to see to it that we don't "sell out" a particular work.

Possibly also a Keep It Free price where once the amount is raised from fans we will never give a non Copyleft license out to anyone from that point on.

We need to think about the possibilities of derivatives and etc.

New Music Strategies

New Music Strategies Website

Anything here useful to us?

Music Marketing [dot] com

Music Marketing

Music Business Radio

Music Business Radio

Jamendo

Jamendo Artists Info

Bandcamp

Bandcamp This looks quite interesting. I may look in to it more soon - dR Nov 23/08

nimbit

nimbit direct-to-fan sales & marketing platform

nimbit facebook store Nimbit MyStore™ for Facebook gives musicians, managers, and labels an easy way to sell and market music, merchandise and eTickets directly from the artist’s Facebook profile and pages.

Tribe of Noise

Tribe of Noise

Pledgie

Pledgie Careful of cc attribution license.

CD Baby

CD Baby Musicians info

"For a simple $35 setup, CD Baby can get your music selling worldwide on cdbaby.com, Apple iTunes, Rhapsody, Napster, eMusic and many more."

audiolife

audiolife

"We’re musicians and music lovers who got the idea to build an innovative self-promotion and distribution platform to market music globally. We studied what was out there, and went to work designing a site that was broader, more flexible and much easier to use."

Reading the Terms and Conditions, I am not sure we can use this.

Kunaki

Kunaki digital cd / dvd manufacturing and publishing service

"Publish at no cost to you. Our automated factory accepts credit-card orders on your behalf. We manufacture and ship your product to your customers within minutes. We report sales with customer names/addresses to you and send you a check each month for an amount equal to the quantity sold multiplied by the price you set."

They will work with CDBaby

Lulu

LuLu Music Info

yooook

yooook

"yooook provides logistics for any professional digital or digitizable creation."

CafePress

CafePress Audio & Data Info

Adsense

Do we want to try adsense for income? Peter seems to not be fond of the idea off the top if I read him right. Peter? Can you explain your reservations? Perhaps we can find innovative ways to negate the problems and still earn the income?

Magnatune

From what I can see, we cannot use BY-SA licenses and work with them, at least not on their site. Does anyone know differently?

YouTube

Can we do some videos and figure a way to earn something there?

Freedom Price / Date Works

I would rather not go here if we can get enough to make us happy in other ways but...

On works which are completely ours, we could set a Freedom Amount and Freedom Date Together and put the work on sale with one of the above business or where ever. Under ARR say. Then the work goes to a BY-SA license whenever the Freedom Amount is reached or the Freedom Date arrives.

Dual Licensing

Are we all in places with compulsory licenses for music? In any case, we can dual license our works for use by those who do not want to release the results BY-SA. Do we want to do this of our own free will?

Street Performer Protocol

Wikipedia Article

Strayform

Strayform

QuidMusic

QuidMusic

Do we need a Brit Member for this?

Kompoz

Kompoz

Can we benefit from putting some of our tracks on this site?

Swarm of Angels

Swarm of Angels

Can we do something like this with music? Would we want to? (Adapted for BY-SA naturally.)

SellaBand

SellaBand

Can we do something similar? Would we want to? (Adapted for BY-SA naturally.)

Selling Music Recordings

Selling Music Recordings

Digital Productions Blog Post on Selling Music Recordings. Similar thoughts to the Swarm Of Angels folks.

House Concerts

House Concert Hub

Live Music To Beat The Credit Crunch

I figure people using Free music only can go one extra on a house concert. Record the concert and leave a CD and the "project" files with the concert host when you leave.

How To Get Paid For Copyleft Art

How To Get Paid For Copyleft Art

Open Music Business Models

[Open Music Business Models http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Music_Business_Models]

Chemical Ltd

Chemical Ltd - You Sell

"We have developed a new and exciting platform on which you can sell your digital media on your own terms, with clear financial rewards.

   You upload your digital media to our servers through our easy to use seller account interface.
   Customers purchase and download it through our online store or through your own customisable homepage.
   You get paid

Get PAID (as much as 87% of the sale price) We aim to pay the maximum amount of revenue possible to all sellers. All we take is an 8% (10p minimum) handling fee from your sale price, to cover bandwidth charges / administration, etc. Bank charges for credit card processing and music publishing royalties (if appropriate) are deducted separately."




Online Fundraising / Crowdsourcing / etc.

Fundable

Fundable Online Fundraising

Kick Starter

KICKSTARTER Only good for US based bands / artists now it seems.


RocketHub

RocketHub

"RocketHub is the world's funding machine. RocketHub is an international and open community that has helped thousands of artists, scientists, entrepreneurs, and philanthropists raise millions of dollars."


artistShare

artistShare

"What is ArtistShare?: ArtistShare is a platform that connects creative artists with fans in order to share the creative process and fund the creation of new artistic works."

Create a Fund

Create a Fund

"NPO's use CreateaFund to collect money online for all sorts of projects, causes, events and activities."


Chip In

Chip In

"ChipIn is a Web-based service that simplifies the process of collecting money from groups of people. We make this process quick, easy, and secure, and we provide organizers with numerous ways to get the word out about their ChipIn event."

IndieGoGo

IndieGoGo

Kapipal

Kapipal

"People worldwide use Kapipal to raise money for projects, presents, group purchases, charity, and any other dream!"

PledgeBank

PledgeBank

PLEDGEmusic

PLEDGEmusic

Ouch 15% on first project, 10% for later projects. Why does everyone seem to want such a large percentage for doing so little? Can't they get some efficiency going and make it up with volume? (I need to go through and document the fees wanted by everyone - dR)

GoFundMe

GoFundMe

Rock The Post

Rock The Post

"Rock The Post is a social networking platform for entrepreneurs to fund and swap resources. The free site is a great tool for entrepreneurs to leverage their networks and reach new ones, to fill the missing pieces of their projects. The crowdfunding and crowdsourcing site is the ideal resource for startups and companies ramping up."

peerbackers

peerbackers

"peerbackers is a new way to fund entrepreneurs. It is an online funding platform that allows business owners to raise capital from their “peers”—in small increments—in exchange for tangible rewards to those who contribute."

Online Selling

Sellfy

[Sellfy: Simple way to sell digital products you create. http://sellfy.com/how_it_works]


Doing It

Josh Woodward’s Top 5 Tips for Artist Exposure

Josh Woodward’s Top 5 Tips for Artist Exposure

Your Face Is A Saxophone

Your Face Is A Saxophone

Misc Links

CreateSpace

CreateSpace


   * Dispensing With Some Myths About The Poor Poor Songwriters Decimated By Piracy
   * Theater and the Creative Commons
   * A Creative Commons License Is The Ultimate Music Promotion Tool
   * The Mercantilism of Our Time
   * 21st Century Prohibition
   * Your website’s not about you, you know
   * The Future Of Music Business Models (And Those Who Are Already There)
   * Ten Good Reasons To Buy
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